Well, the Yankees begin the second part of the season tonight, the post-All-Star break part. And for Hillary Rodham Clinton, short-stop extraordinaire, NYNY Girl on the World Series stage, the drama continues at least as suspensefully as it does for the Bronx Bombers, her neighbors and Home Team.
We have been hearing for a month, since she broke her pretty Elbow of State © on June 17, that she “toils in the shadows,” has been marginalized and ignored by the Obama Administration, has diminished stature and standing in that administration, and is the victim of some backroom back-stabbing.
Today, however, as we emerge from the All-Star Break (a date that never fails to dishearten me – THIS is when summer is half over) two interesting developments arise in the helter-skelter of tripotâge surrounding the Homegirl whom we also surround with all of our defenses.
In Madam Secretary/FP this morning, there was this. Clinton amused, baffled by Daily Beast burqa post
I found the above , however, AFTER my early morning shock. Upon emerging from the shower, I saw THIS, on Today!
Compelled to ask myself, at the confluence of these two decidedly similar stories promoting still another (toxic) meme* the age-old philosophical/rhetorical/sophist question: W*T*F??????
Suddenly, the hermetic, reclusive, cloistered, (yeah, well The Cloisters are near Yankee Stadium – coinky-dinky) Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton emerges from the shades and shadows, makes a high-powered speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, is taking off, even as I write, on her NEXT tour to India and Thailand while still in excruciating pain and WINS THE DAY! Again the age-old philosophical/rhetorical/sophist question: W*T*F?
For her Itinerary and the events of the day, please see our sister’s-site: Secretary Clinton. Stacyx rolls over the MSM any day of the week. Go Stacyx!
*See MadamaB
More toxic memes – Join in! For more Toxic Memes and your contributions. Be a part of the problem!
My gut is telling me the repubs started this cr*p about her being pushed aside and are still going with it. Went to liberal/democrats sites and now it is over that she is being pushed out,it was false to them due to her speech yesterday and her statement today. But repub sites are still going with this cr*p, even at HV. A thread over there “revenge of hillary” has a post by a repub saying hillary needs to quit like buttercup,because buttercup is trying to save the country and the longer hillary is sos proves she is an obot.
How is buttercup doing more than hillary to help the country? Hillary is working for the country and buttercup tweets about quotes which she does not understand and gets them wrong. She tweets more than ashton kutcher,but at least his makes sense. Buttercup who was for cap and trade berfore she was against it. When john kerry the fool makes you look like the fool,you have a problem. How can this type of comment be allowed at a pro-hillary blog? I don’t agree with everything hill does and I will let that be known,criticize her on the issues not on why she won’t quit like buttercup.
In my opinion so-called hillary supporters and repubs want hillary to quit,so when someone says buttercup quit they can say hillary quit as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble she does not quit she works,studies,learns and makes a positive differnce in people’s lives,buttercup quotes magnets.
LikeLike
You know I read this when you first posted, but I just reread it and realized I had missed this:
“She tweets more than ashton kutcher,but at least his makes sense.”
LOL!!
LikeLike
She had the guts to tweet today to work hard and enjoy recreation time.avoid tearing down,whining,complaining.
Telling people to not to whine or complaing,who does she think she is. I think she reads these things and just tweets and doesn’t realize she is a hypocrite.
About 8 tweets in one hour. I think she has an obession with tweeting.
LikeLike
Sorry,one more. She just tweeted 3 more times. One of them was that she is monitoring afghanistan. Is she getting her forgein policy by tweeting.
Don’t you feel safe now that you know she is monitoring what is going on in afghanistan.
She really needs an intervention about her tweeting, I am serious.
LikeLike
J4H, agree that the repubs and new dems, both feckless, are piling on with this Hillary-has-no-power meme, but as usual, I suspect Hill is a few steps ahead of them on the long view.
Disagree with you on cap n trade, which will die in its curremt form in the Senate. In the Palin/Kerry face off, relative rhetorical skills aside, in my opinion Palin was more accurate on the brutal realities we face with our new energy economy. The health reform bills are a trainwreck. The first stimulus plan will take another year to kick in, if at all. Only the financial system has been helped immediately by government money, and even that’s hiding a deeper cancer. No one wants to believe or admit how bad things really are or now much worse they will get, least of all this Admin. What they are all really tracking is the Dow, a horribly misleading indicator for the general and consumer economy. Despite the dozens of voodoo and some good economists and advisors in the WH, they cannot know or control the future any more than we can. They can control wealth distribution, and maybe the nation’s risk profile for investment. But what both the government and the private sector seem confused about is where exactly to make those big investments in industry, development, jobs for our next generation of workers.
It is beyond identity politics for the country. This is about fundamental survival, and I believe both Hillary and Palin among many other well placed women in government and business can help in ways that are suited for them. Because the boys with the secret handshakes have royally fucked up, and the are only digging a bigger hole. Or, we can decide to keep throwing spitballs at each other based on our personal priorities, and fight for a place on the lifeboats rather than together steer the ship around to safety.
LikeLike
I’ve been posting at HV, saying she shouldn’t quit. Should Hillary be angry that Obama pre-empted her speech? Of course! But she has important work to do at State and around the world. She can’t walk away from it because of a speech. Can you imagine if she had? “Hello, India? It’s me, Hillary. Uh, about my visit. I’m sorry, I won’t be able to come. You see, I am resigning as Secretary of State because I was supposed to give a speech on TV and Obama pre-empted it. It’s a matter of principle. I will NOT be treated that way! So maybe we can get together and do lunch. See ya!”
Not gonna happen. Not over something like this.
LikeLike
I agree with the two of you.
And … I know I’m being shallow, but ..I love her shoes
LikeLike
Very cute shoes on very cute SOS! She has been wearing heels again the past few days! YAY!
LikeLike
Hillary is not a quitter.
I understand the annoyance with Obama because i feel it also, but then *some* folks take it to a weird level and start suggesting Hillary do things that are, well, very un-Hillary-like and I am beginning to question whether some of those people are really, truly pro-Hillary at the core. Or are they right wingers trying to divide us to pave the way for that nutter, Palin?
I don’t know.
Kate- I like her shoes also- she’s got lots of good shoes.
LikeLike
The O Admin. is just as happy as the Repubs to let the “Hillary toils in the shadows” myth take hold out there. I remember that after Hillary made her opinion known to Obama about how he should take a stronger stand on the Iranian election, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the press that Hillary was just doing her job by “advising the President in the background — the key words there being “in the background”.
LikeLike
NYC Girl- you may be right with respect to Obama admin- I honestly don’t know. But at the same time, what does Obama have to gain by alienating Hillary and her 18+ million supporters at this early stage of the game?
LikeLike
Hi, stacyx,
Thanks for your question.
We have been down this road before.
We were already in the “early stage of the game” last year during the primaries when Obama and his supporters threw Hillary and her 18 million under the bus by saying they didn’t need our support since we were all basically “racists” and “uneducated”, etc. But of course he expected us all to vote for him anyway. What did he gain? Well, he did get Hillary to campaign for him, and she did in fact swing some of her supporters over to him. He gained the Presidency by using that “divide and conquer” stategy.
Now, we are looking at the resulting smugness and arrogance of the man who brushed Hillary off of his shoulders during the primaries, and walked into one of his primary victory rallies to the Jay-Z rap “I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one“, who now simply says, when questioned about his policies, “we won“.
What are Hillary and her 18 million voters worth to the man who has been anointed the most powerful leader on planet earth? Not so much.
LikeLike
NYC Girl:
Thanks for your response. That makes sense. Do you think Hillary should leave as the first term ends and he gets ready to run for re-election? What would be the best thing for Hillary to do politically?
LikeLike
Hi, stacyx,
Obama is already running for re-election. The alleged “grassroots” lead teams are already in the field — that is common knowledge. They went into place right after the election. So, if Obama does not resign (or get impeached, or otherwise “exit stage left”), he will be the Dem nominee in 2012. I never wanted Hillary to accept the SOS position, personally. I am a native NYer, and she was doing a fabulous job of representing our interests in the Senate. I even emailed her and asked her NOT to accept the SOS position. So much for my influence over Hillary Clinton! But I do understand that she feels she can work for the “greater good” as SOS. Someone recently — and admiringly — said that Hillary has “a servant’s heart”. That is not a demeaning comment, but instead describes someone whose mission is to be “in service” to a higher cause. More than any other elected official, I believe that Hillary really does embody that mission to serve the common good.
So, I can never imagine her resigning, no matter how hot the heat may get in that kitchen. As we saw during the primaries, she is a fighter, first and foremost. If she resigned at any point between now and 2012, she would be in political no-man’s-land (or maybe no-woman’s-land). If she stays in the O Admin., she can do great work behind the scenes, whether or not she gets the credit for it. Does that rot? Yes, it does. But to Hillary’s thinking, the work is what’s important, not who gets the credit.
So, for me, I wouldn’t be sad if she resigned, but I don’t see that happening. She might as well stay there for now and work on behalf of “world peace” — surely a worthy cause. But the future is unpredictable and unforseeable. Who knows? We will continue to watch and wait.
LikeLike
I also emailed her and told her to stay in the Senate. She didn’t listen to me either.
LikeLike
NYCgirl- I agree with you. I will say I hope she stays on at least through Obama’s first term and then if she were to run for Pres. then I would certainly support that, although that seems logistically unlikely.
I think having Hillary as SOS is good for the US and the world, despite the fact that I would rather it was she in the Oval Office.
LikeLike
Action alert: Rothkopf over at Foreign Policy, just dropped this stink bomb:
http://tinyurl.com/lkqcpy
I’ll admit I usually like Rothkopf’s analysis of foreign policy and actually, I pretty much like everyone over at FP, particularly Laura Rozen (who actually SPOKE with Clinton after her CFR speech), but I wrote a response to him in the comment section and would LOVE it if someone would come over there and join me!!
LikeLike
stacyx,
What **********CRAP************!!!!!!!
I posted a response there which included these links to a couple of excellent No Quarter blog entries on Hill’s speech and on her effective efforts to counteract Obama’s clueless foreign policy:
Hillary Clinton Delivers A Major, Action-Focused Foreign Policy Speech
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/16/hillary-clinton-delivers-a-major-action-focused-foreign-policy-speech/
Hillary Rescues Honduras
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/12/hillary-rescues-honduras/
Keeping up with this is a full-time job, is it not? The bullshit is just nonstop out there!
LikeLike
NYCgirl- it actually *is* a full time job. I had hoped once Hillary herself spoke out about it that the MSM would find some other public person to gossip about, but that clearly isn’t the case. Laura Rozen over at Foriegn Policy’s ‘The Cable’ actually SPOKE WITH Hillary after the speech and Hillary gives some good rebuttal and I always go over there to give Laura props because she generally sticks to the facts.
Spencer Ackerman wrote a very insightful article after Hillary delivered her speech at the CFR and it’s definitely worth checking out if you haven’t already- I highlighted it on my blog two days ago because I think he totally got the point of the speech, unlike Rothkopf:
http://washingtonindependent.com/51237/clinton-speech-signals-transformation-at-state
LikeLike
This is probably a stupid question, but what is the New Agenda and who is Amy Siskand(sp?)?
Also, another stupid question was the new agenda and amy responsible for hillary wearing orange on the night of the democratic convention and are they the reason she gave her forgein policy speech this week?
LikeLike
The New Agenda: http://thenewagenda.net/ Amy Siskind is one of the founders.
I joined early on when they still actually had an agenda posted. Now I can’t find it. Amy lives in Westchester, I have no idea if she has any influence over Hillary (those last 3 words sound odd). Hillary chose the orange because it popped against the blue curtain – she sent 4 suits out. Two were blue and faded into the curtain. One a=was red – the Republican color – she was NOT going to wear red. The nonly other color that popped besides red was the orange. Surprise! I don’t think it was Amy. I think Hillary decided on that color herself.
Did someone say TNA got her to make the speech on Wednesday? TNA influences the State Department? I don’t think so!
LikeLike
Stil4hill they sort of are taking credit in a weird way. They say the started the where is hillary rumor and it went all over the internet and then she gave her speech on wednesday. The one where it was said TNA got her to wear orange was a comment in a post when I went there to look around.
http://thenewagenda.net/2009/07/15/hillary-to-reassert-herself-today-with-major-speech/
LikeLike
Another good post over at NQ re: Hillary’s influence at State:
Who Wants Hillary To “Take Off Her Burqa”?
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/15/tina-brown-tells-hillary-to-take-off-her-burqa/#comment-1230690
LikeLike
stacyx,
Thanks for the link to the Ackerman piece. I’ll check it out.
Hillary quite simply SCARES UNHOLY HELL out of everyone. They want her to SIT DOWN AND STFU, but it’s not gonna happen. That’s why they just can’t leave her alone. She REFUSES to keep her place! Yay! =:-D
LikeLike
WTF is going on over at The Daily Beast? Jeeeeezus!
How timely, given the question of Amy Suskind was raised because guess who authored this latest commentary from TDB:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-16/sit-down-and-shut-up/
The thing is, I totally agree with her over- arching point that yes, society still fears powerful women- we all watched Chris Mathew’s disturbing, sexist, anti-Hillary tourette’s syndrome on a nightly basis during the campaign, with disgust.
The problem I have is how she and Tina Brown (and others) insist on using that basic truth as support for their claim that Hillary has been silenced and has no power, particularly given a) hillary herself takes issue with that claim and b) as Still4Hill and the rest of us have said, being SOS is *DIFFERENT* than being a candidate for President and/or a Senator and I truly believe Hillary understood that when she took this job!
LikeLike
I saw that at no quarter,so that is why I asked my previous question about the new agenda.
No man or woman will ever tell hillary to sit down and shut up are you kidding me. Did we not all watch hillary in 1992 with bill by herside with a big smile and look of pride on his face. I thought I would never see the day when anyone would put sit down and shut up with hillary’s name.
I have no idea what these people want from her. She will not fight with obama in front of the media she loves America to much to cause trouble, she has class, and she said she enjoys her job. I guess hillary’s words don’t matter to people’s personal agenda.
LikeLike
Oh shoot Jill I totally did not see the no quarter link, duh! I’m sorry!
LikeLike
At no quarter one of the early comments was like we must remember what hillary went through and move on/contuine with a new leadership. Who is the new leader?
You,still4hill,jen, and others write about hillary as a strong,smart,tough, and beautiful woman. But now I see some pro-women writers trying to paint her as victim. I could be wrong,but I don’t think hillary wants to be known as a victim or for people to feel pity for her.
LikeLike
Hmmmmm. I don’t go to TNA much. They took their Agenda down. Why? It was good and I once used it at Dipnote to make a point that set off quite an argument.
I have to say that I do not trust “women’s groups” that bill themselves as “non-partisan” – I don’t believe that word. TNA, when I went over there to get the link for jillfor hill, looks like it has become a Sarah Palin website. While I do believe in defending any woman from sexism, and I have defended Sarah Palin against that, I sense something subversive here.
First of all, I’ll say it once again this broken elbow was a serious break, Hillary still has pins and a rod, it is painful and there is intensive therapy that does impinge on her time – five times a day and six days a week. She was not silenced, continued to work right after the surgery, and despite the injury exerted enough muscle to get Obama to take the stronger stand on Iran that she felt was appropriate. She has shown remarkable courage and strength where most people – male and female (but especially male) would be wimping out.
Second, we should remember that the likes of Amy Siskind are not necessarily immune to the toxic memes. This blind support of women – any woman – for public office, whatever their philosophies and platforms is the progeny of that 30% solution/Tipping Point meme that has been out there since last summer. Now I wonder who originally put that out there because it stands as the foundation for this Sarahmania.
There is no comparison between Hillary Clinton, who smiles beautifully, gets a rock star welcome, but make no mistake, is talking tough behind closed doors to Indian officials, and the woman who skipped the Governor’s Convention because, well she won’t be governor much longer, and is so careful with Alaska’s money.
I have not been to NQ yet – but I do want to see the comments.
LikeLike
If you want to get pissed read the comments. The person who posts under OMG is posting a lie that hillary gave eminent domain to China. That is a lie that has been disproven by freerepublic(republican site who hate hillary and obama). The story was started by the racist Hal Turner. I told Larry Johnson to remove it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2196426/posts
LikeLike
The comments at NQ when I read them earlier tonight were a mixture of calls for Hillary to resign rather than accept this (alleged) kind of treatment from BO, explanations of why she is (allegedly) “in the shadows”, calls to forget Hillary altogether and just count on Palin to rescue us, and some enlightened illumination of how Hillary is quietly talking tough in the background and not trying to do anything more than all of the hard work that her job entails.
As for the New Agenda, there was another article recently also on NQ by Amy Siskind about how disappointed her daughter was that Palin is resigning. I didn’t read the whole article, but apparently Siskind has an 11-year-old daughter who loved Hillary, was disappointed when Hillary did not get nominated, and then supported Palin, and is now disappointed again. So, yes, there is definitely a Palinesque theme going on with Siskind.
LikeLike
O/T
I know I am new to this site and this may be asking to much since I am new here. There is a comment at No Quarter under the post Sit Down and Shut up by poster OMG who is a palin supporter that says Hillary gave China eminent domain over the U.S.
Hillary and obama do not have that right. This was a story started by the racist hal turner. This lie was disproven by freerepublic (they hate obama and hillary.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2196426/posts
So I was wondering if you can comment over there that it is a lie. I posted over there and told them it was a lie,but they haven’t deleted it. Maybe if more post over there they and show that it is a lie they will delete. If you don’t I understand. I just don’t like people telling obvious lies about hillary and getting away with it.
LikeLike
jillforhill,
Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen them remove a post over at NQ? I haven’t. The most I’ve seen them do is a “strikethrough” — they put dash marks through the offensive part of the message, so you can still read the message, but it is not supposed to be read. Then they reprimanded the poster and told them not to use those kinds of slurs again. But they are not into censoring the posts. All kinds of comments get through, but the NQites are experts at shooting down the nonsense usually.
If you feel very strongly about the lies that the person told on there about the China subject, then you might try emailing Larry directly. Click on his “Bio” link at the top of the front page, or click on his name in one of his posts. He reads his email — I know this for a fact. Or you can try emailing the person who posted the original blog entry and ask them what the guidelines are re: posting bogus information.
LikeLike
I have never seen them do that either, but that post got me angry because it accused her of selling America out and her not having integrity. Thanks for the heads up to contact him through his email, I will try that.
LikeLike
JillforHill,
My guess is that Larry will just say something like, “Hey, what can I say? We don’t censor the comments, so you are welcome to post a response if you think that person was lying.” And I read your response there, jillforhill, so you did the right thing from that standpoint.
I usually don’t read blog comments at all, and that’s the reason: there’s a lot of garbage that gets posted in the comments. But if it’s a front-page main blog entry that is spreading lies or insults, I will comment on it myself. Otherwise, you will lose your mind dealing with all of the lying crap that passes for “commentary” out there! I understand your immediate negative reaction to that lie about “Hillary/eminent domain”, though.
LikeLike
I stopped going to NQ a long time ago- I used to go to the comment section and write stuff now and again (never anything rude or outlandish)and each time I was attacked and then there was a period where I couldn’t even leave comments making me wonder if my IP had been blocked. It’s gotten too out of control over there and seems very, very right wing these days- hell, it started sounding more and more like a pro-Palin site not long after Palin was selected to be McCain’s VP.
And while I certainly don’t think many attacks against Obama are racist and I hate when people say things are racist (or sexist, etc) when they really aren’t, but I started seeing some posts that seemed to authored by right wingers claiming to be progressives and they were really just race-baiting and waiting for someone to say something so they could call that person an Obot. And I’m gonna go out on a limb here, but that whole Larry Sinclair thing they really tried to push, was over-the-top.
I think these Palin folks are largely quite conservative and I think they are behind a lot of the rumors about Clinton.
Each day brings a new stink-pile of negative stories about Hillary all of a sudden- why now? And despite the fact that she has been giving public appearances for about 16 hours a day in India, they are still pushing the ‘Hillary Is Invisible” theme. WTF?
They really are just trying to stir sh*t up, no doubt about it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/07/19/2009-07-19_the_curious_case_of_the_steadily_shrinking_hillary_clinton.html
FYI: Greta Van Susteren is interviewing Hillary Monday night at 10pm from India, for anyone who didn’t know.
LikeLike
Thanks for the heads-up on the Greta interview. We can always count on Greta.
Some of these websites can be confusing. Things evolve and people change. Movements spring up and die out. NQ and Conflu were two where I spent a lot of time a year ago when we were pushing for Hillary to have a legit roll call vote in Denver. People at both sites were planning to go to Denver, and it was a different world back then.
Denver is only a month away from being a year old, and I think we are seeing 2012 going into first gear. I doubt this shift to Palin was something these bloggers could have been planning last year at this time, but they made the turn after the conventions and are trying to refit that agenda now that she resigned her post.
I visit these sites warily now – snooping, really.
LikeLike
I meant to say, I saw that article up on Twitter: a day late and a dollar short. That story is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO last week!
It’s stone cold, while Hillary is red hot in India!
LikeLike
stacyx,
While I don’t know exactly how NQ got started, the blog owner, Larry Johnson, is a Reagan Republican who was a CIA operative and then a State Dept. official in the Reagan-Bush I era. In spite of that, he has always respected Hillary, and he still does. Here’s an example from July 12, 2009, in case you missed it:
Hillary Rescues Honduras
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/12/hillary-rescues-honduras/
I have been posting that link all over the place because Larry, as national security specialist, “gets” what Hillary is doing behind the scenes. And if you read through the comments on that thread, you will even see one from our own Still4Hill! (Hi, there, Still! **waves**) 😀
While NQ can be quite conservative — it’s run by a Reaganite, after all — there are a range of articles on there, and the commentary is not censored, so it also represents a range of views from the ultraconservative to the revolutionary left wing. I am not a conservative or a Republican (I voted for Nader in the GE), but I truly appreciate Larry Johnson’s take-no-prisoners bluntness (“No Quarter” is right!), and I find myself agreeing with him on many national security issues.
But of course you are right, stacyx — the right-wing infiltrators are everywhere. There will be no let up as we forge onward to 2012. Hillaryites, be prepared for a battle! 😮
Thanks for the heads up on the Greta interview tomorrow. I don’t watch TV news anymore (except for Dobbs), but I will check out Greta.
LikeLike
NYCgirl- I used to frequent Larry’s blog (NQ) long before the campaign because I was really into the whole Valerie Plame/Scooter Libby/Judith Miller case and Larry was plugged into all that.
Larry always seemed to be quite progressive despite his bona fides as a Reagan Republican and he could be quite objective about certain things. But I feel like his website is totally different now- it’s become something, more of a right wing sleeper site 😉 I see what you mean though with respect to being a good place to get views from different perspectives.
LikeLike
How long has NQ been around? I have tried to read some of the very early posts there, but I cannot access the archive. It freezes my browser no matter where I try to log onto it. I don’t know the background of how that blog got started.
I do like the fact that Larry Johnson has always respected Hillary, in spite of their different political affiliations and viewpoints. I have to say the same for the independent right-leaning Lou Dobbs, the only one on CNN to treat Hillary fairly and with respect throughout the primaries, and he still respects her even while disagreeing with many of her policies. People may be “right-wing” or “consevative”, but if they are even-handed and thoughtful, I would like to hear what they have to say, even if I don’t agree ultimately. And I hope they would give me that same chance to be heard in return! 🙂
LikeLike
NYCGirl said: “People may be “right-wing” or “consevative”, but if they are even-handed and thoughtful, I would like to hear what they have to say, even if I don’t agree ultimately. And I hope they would give me that same chance to be heard in return!”
Political dialogue – and we don’t always have to disagree. I think Hillary’s people got burned last year by the “in your face” Alinsky tactics of the Obots. There were people who literally would not allow me to finish a sentence. These same people also said, many times, that Hillary should accept the applause instead of beginning to speak, Ha! One way to stop her from speaking, then, would be to keep applauding.
My concern is that I am seeing the same tactics now coming from these Palin supporters who lash out if I call “the woman” a quitter. To me, that is not a sexist remark. To me it’s the truth. I am very, very spoiled rotten by Hillary Clinton who does not quit.
LikeLike
Still4hill- isn’t that common sense re: respectful dialogue? It seems like all of us HERE are in agreement that tolerance of opposing views is a good thing- the problem is, such is not the case on a lot of so-called Hillary sites.
LikeLike
NYCGirl already knows this, but I have not made it public: Having “common sense” and “being logical” are words thrown at me like DARTS in meetings where I work. Yes, I am supposed to be insulted I guess.
You are right, of course, but it seems that some people, upon booting up, leave all the rules of the social contract behind.
LikeLike
Yes, well, you just “outed” yourself as a “reasonable person”, Still4Hill! 🙂
Like I’ve said to you before, you are asking way too much of Obots and rabid Repubs — So, just stop making sense!! 😀
LikeLike
pathetic:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/hillary-clinton-living-doll-saturday-post/
LikeLike
That is pathetic. Everytime they try to talk/stalk to hillary she ignores them. Maybe it is payback. Where are all the woman defenders now?
LikeLike
I saw that. He needs to get a life. I also saw the guy at the State Dept. Facebook album who said, “Loving me some Hillary. Hear that, Barack?” Haha! I was thinking, “What about Bill?”
LikeLike
CDS never dies — it just regresses itself into retarded infancy …
LikeLike
jill4hill @12:20 today
I saw your comment – there is no “reply” up there, but it is important. The New Agenda is saying THEY started the “Where is Hillary” nonsense?
WHAT???!!!
That would explain Amy’s post at TDB.
I would like to know how such an act in any way advances women’s issues or, for that matter, affects any of the crises Hillary has to deal with right now. SEE? I said I sensed something subversive here. If this is supposed to be the fourth wave it is as wrongheaded as can be. I still want to know who planted that 30% solution stuff last summer. It actually advocates a kind of blindness. Who started the Tipping Point story? I saw it at The Confluence, but where did it start? Anybody? (Bueller?)
LikeLike
More of the same- this guy refers to Hillary’s team as “Flaks” and essentially throws in stuff out of context and just makes crap up (while claiming Hillary really doesn’t know all that much about foreign policy, anyway):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/hillarys-back-or-not_b_234811.html
What kills me is these guys (and women) seem proud of themselves for doing nothing but regurgitating the same rumors which have been circling the drain for the past 2-3 weeks? I thought when websites and the like put up new articles, they generally like to have a new angle? Look at HuffPo’s Hillary page- it’s hardly updated except for a few largely critical commentaries.
LikeLike
If hillary does not know nothing about forgein policy,then what does obama know? Obama bombed and got treated like a child by putin. He got nothing from the G8 summit when the previous presidents did. Putin basically laughed at him,that is why hillary has to back to russia to clean up after him. When bill was in russia earlier this year he went after putin and did it in front of his face. They then and had a couple of drinks. and talked for a couple hours after.
“Flaks”, he must mean the people obama appointed there like samantha powers. That I agree with him. When hillary is not with obama he sounds like he just finished reading forgein policies for dummies.
Huffington post has gone down the drain.
LikeLike
[…] I say I should not be amazed that so few know not only about the QDDR but also the extent to which Mme. Secretary is invested in it because at the time she announced it many of us Hillary bloggers fell into the trap of distraction that had been carefully set to divert our attention from this historical and ambitious effort. While I should have been posting the text of certain presentations here, I was busy over at The Department of Homegirl Security battling the “Vampire Tales” as I had dubbed the toxic memes that would not die. This post illustrates what we were battling as well as any: The Heart of the Mean Season. […]
LikeLike