I guess I do have to say something more because there is Exhibit A:
And Exhibit B from ThinkProgress.org:
Palin: My whining is different than Hillary Clinton’s by AmandaTerkel
Since announcing that she would resign as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin (R) has been blaming her decision on the “mainstream media” and political operatives who accused her of “all sorts of frivolous ethics violations.” Ironically, Palin last year criticized Hillary Clinton for complaining about being put under “a sharper microscope,” saying that when there is “any kind of perceived whine” coming from a “woman candidate,” she thinks, “Man that doesn’t do us any good.” Time’s Jay Newton-Small asked Palin about this contradiction in a new interview. Palin replied that she’s totally different than Clinton because the accusations she’s facing are way worse:What I said was, it doesn’t do her or anybody else any good to whine about the criticism. And that’s why I’m trying to make it clear that the criticism, I invite that. But freedom of speech and that invitation to constructively criticize a public servant is a lot different than the allowance to lie, to continually falsely accuse a public servant when they have proven over and over again that they have not done what the accuser is saying they did. It doesn’t cost them a dime to continue to accuse. That’s a whole different situation. But that’s why when I talk about the political potshots that I take or my family takes, we can handle that. I can handle that. I expect it. But there has to be opportunity provided for truth to get out there, and truth isn’t getting out there when the political game that’s being played right now is going to continue, and it is.
And Exhibit C (an email I received yesterday):
Dear Friend,
When it comes to Sarah Palin, we’re damned if we do and we’re damned if we don’t.
WomenCount is a non-partisan, progressive organization that got its start during the Hillary Clinton campaign. So it’s no surprise that we don’t share Sarah Palin’s policy agenda or politics.
But when we defended her during the campaign when she was the victim of gender bias because it was the right thing to do, we were attacked. When we criticized her on issues of policy and didn’t back her as some had hoped simply because she is a woman, we were attacked. When we were just silent and neither defended nor criticized her, we were attacked.
We can take the heat, and we did. But it all misses the point: If we had more women in office in the first place, Sarah Palin wouldn’t be the symbol that she is for women in politics.
Frankly, I am tired of hearing that Palin sets women back, that she has disappointed us, embarrassed us, and the worst, that she reflects badly on all women. Not because it’s not true, because I am afraid it is, but because it shouldn’t be. When a man in politics makes a misstep or a bad decision, does it reflect on all men? Ha.
Our colleague Meghan Harvey has reminded us often in this space that women governors are dropping like flies. With Palin’s resignation we’re down to six women governors around the country. That’s it, six out of fifty.
This disproportionate representation, like the 17 percent of Congress and the 24 percent of state legislators, means those women carry a heavier burden – to speak for us, to fight for us, to promote issues that we hold dear. The flip side is that when they don’t, when those women let us down, it damages us even more.
Sarah Palin does not speak for us, and she is not speaking for all women. But until there are more women in office and running for office, the impact of her actions on all women will be magnified to a degree that is disproportionate to what it should be. That’s not fair to her – or to us.
So the lesson of her abrupt and unexpected departure – and the fallout from it – is simple: We need more women in office. So run for office. Vote for women who run. Support women who run. Another way to help: Support WomenCount’s work to promote women in politics.
And read our other blog posts about Palin. Comment and add your voice to the dialogue!
Stacy Mason
Executive Director
(N.B. This is not our stacyx who comments here)
So here are some points I need to argue, and I’ll begin with C since it relates to our banner.
Unlike Women Count, The Department of Homegirl Security has always been aligned with a party. It is not non-partisan or a coalition entity. This Department is associated with the Hillary Clinton wing of the Democratic Party. We sometimes call ourselves Hillcrats and are sometimes also called Clintonistas, Hillaristas, and PUMAs.
I am seeing this email slammed over at Hillary’s Village for reasons that are not always clear. (There are people who need to learn to point to evidence rather than simply use terms like cr*p). Maybe I am crazy, but the message I get from this email is that:
1) Women should run.
2) Women should support women who run.
The number of women governors has been reduced (bear in mind Napolitano and Sebelius resigned to join the new administration) and women should consider running for office. Am I missing something here? I think Palin’s resignation HAS done damage, but it’s awfully hard to support somebody who is not running and who just resigned an elected office. Support her doing what? Oh, yes, she WAS on TV yesterday. Sarah? Go fish! We are partisan here. We party with Hillary.
Then there is Our Hillary – Our Chief Homegirl who works hard whether the cameras are rolling or not. The points I want to make about A and B , and I did say at HV as well, are these.
A. This video from March 2008 where Sarah makes remarks about Hillary “whining,” if it has ANY value, is an example of myth-making. I watched Hillary throughout the campaign and have followed that up by watching hundreds of hours of Hillary speaking on the trail. I have not seen ANY clips of Hillary whining! When did Hillary whine? Where is the video of that? (And please do not say it was in that interview where she brought up RFK and was accused of wishing Obama dead. She did not whine in that. Her voice was very well-modulated). There is no video of Hillary whining for a simple reason – it is a myth! It is a lie. Even when, in a debate, she was gang-raped by the men on stage with her (who were egged on by the male moderator), even when in another debate she noted that, yes, she WAS getting all the hard questions first , Hillary never whined. She was a good sport. She shrugged that last off with a good-natured, “I don’t MIND!”
Of course since the video has surfaced, as such annoying exhibits often do, Sarah went on to make the statements in Exhibit B. Now B is very interesting because it fulfills two functions:
1) It revives the myth that Hillary whined.
2) It serves as a renewed attack on Hillary, who, by the way is industriously attending to her own work and ignoring this firestorm.
Why, you may ask, would Sarah reach out at this point and slap Hillary AGAIN? The simplest answer would be that she has to defend words that are on record, so she defends herself by deflecting the attention back to Hillary who is innocently toiling away and NOT resigning her job which many wish she WOULD do!
Is there a back story here? I think so. Who ARE these people calling for Hillary to resign? The ones saying she is marginalized, powerless, ineffective – who ARE these people? Is this from people with an ax to grind? People with CDS? I don’t think so. I think this is coming from strategists in the wind-up to 2012. I know there are people out there with irrational hatred for Hillary buried in their hearts, but I think this emerges as a cool calculated swipe at the person we now know is the most popular member of the new administration. She is the Golden Girl Hillaristas always knew her to be. Hillary is America’s Sweetheart, the Queen of Hearts who, here and abroad is wildly popular. With her elbow healing, she will be in the air again next week and once again will be the beautiful face we put out there in the world. Of course the opposition strategists would like to marginalize her. But nobody puts Baby in a corner.
There is one more purpose Exhibit B serves: It demonstrates the silliness of the suggestion that these two women, whose platforms are polar opposites, would ever appear as running mates on a third party ticket. Please get over that idea!
Someone at HV said “Hillary is doing her job her way, and Sarah is doing her job her way.” Well that’s only half true. Hillary IS doing her job, and Sarah is quitting her job.
Another said words to the effect that while we are bickering, Hillary and Sarah are not attacking each other. I beg to differ! Once again, only half of the statement is true. The Secretary of State is attending to matters in the wide world. She has no reason at all to make any statement about the Governor of Alaska since it is not a foreign country. Sarah’s statements in Exhibit B are NOT from last year, they are from this week. So, yes, Sarah did attack Hillary this week, again!
If her own Village will not defend her, this Department will.
This is not cross-posted at HV.
This is not cross-posted at HV? Why not? Do you not yet own a helmet and flak jacket? All grown-up bloggers simply MUST purchase combat gear and a hazmat suit or go down in flames! 🙂
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OK – Thinking about it and gearing up at Army-Navy Surplus! But I do have vulnerable, reticent, and dear friends there that I don’t want to lose in a nuclear blast about effing Sarah Palin!
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Still4Hill: OUTSTANDING, Counselor!!!!
Perfect. It connects all the dots.
The idea of someone supporting Palin simply because she’s a woman despite not believing in the political agenda she espouses is totally self-defeating and quite frankly, doesn’t really do all that much for women in politics in general. If that’s the reasoning over at HV or anywhere else, then why don’t we just rally around homophobe Phyllis Schlaffley? Or how about Liz Cheney?
Palin and her supporters have every right to be ultra-conservative, that goes without saying-even though I am very progressive, I’m not saying that the problem with Palin is that she’s conservative – my problem is that a) she has not demonstrated she has the background knowledge to be in charge of national or international policy, b) I don’t find acting ditzy to be an appealing quality in a national leader, male or female; c) she quit her job for what reason? The media’s mean? Please. Legal fees? Please. There’s evidence that the legal fees are pre-budgeted in so she’s not really “wasting” taxpayer dollars like she says she is (and if that’s the case, then she’s also a liar) and; d) I can’t stand when people don’t take responsibility for their own actions, statements, choices- yes, the media can be sexist, we all saw that with Hillary, but come on, Sarah Palin blames every single thing on the media- is it the media’s fault she knows nothing about foreign policy and didn’t think it was important to brush up on it before interviews? No, it wasn’t. Maybe *some* of the media coverage and criticism was, oh, I don’t know, VALID? And finally, d) Palin is a hypocrite as demonstrated by Still4Hill in exhibit A and B- she’s one of these annoying people who makes up stuff as she goes along, just to get through the last painful seconds of an interview where she’s squirming around trying to come up with something cute and clever to make up for the fact that she doesn’t know the answer to whatever question has just been asked, not realizing, somehow, that everybody knows how to GOOGLE.
I mean, come on, does Sarah Palin really believe she’s had it tougher for the past 9 months than Hillary Clinton had it for the past FIFTEEN plus years? Because I don’t know what is worse, that she actually DOES believe that or that she’s trying to wiggle out the uncomfortable situation of being confronted with her own past statements and doesn’t have the integrity or ego strength to simply say to the reporter yesterday, “you know, when I said that, I really had no idea what Hillary went through, but having gone through only a tiny bit of it, I regret saying that and have a lot more empathy for Hillary Clinton even if we are political opposites”- saying something like that would show INSIGHT, it would show HONESTY, it would show some friggin’ HUMILITY. But no, Sarah Palin has none of the above.
I have to say, some of the intolerance for views like the one I’ve expressed here [and the views Still4Hill has expressed at HV and elsewhere], at some PUMA sites, has really been eye-opening and not in a good way.
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Perfect just perfect.
I wish you would cross post this at HV,but you might get banned and I do not want that. The only good thing about this is we are finding out who the real sisters are and those who are the jealous step sisters. Anyone who ever claimed to support Hillary and is trying to justify what buttercup said you fooled me as a Hillary supporter,but not anymore you will now be called out.
Palin lied about the ethics complaints costing 2 million dollars the most of the money on the ethics complaints was what her lawyer charged her and the complaint she filed against herself. Now she is quoting plato on twitter, how come she didn’t mention that in the couric interview. Buttercup has no job,she quit how hard is that to understand. She spends more time twittering magnet sayings and fishing, but I never saw her catch anything.
Greta to rotchschild can just be buttercup fans for all I care. Greta attacked letterman tonight because he told jokes about palin that were not about her being governer, she quit and she is not a governer what else he is supposed to joke about. Now you can’t make jokes about her, BS. So called feminists are defending zeigler for protecting buttercup, but he helped promote the movie C_NT about Hillary. Buttercup’s bestfriend eddie burke called a cancer survior and buttercup’s opponent a cancer and the
b-word while buttercup laughed in the background. What a role model. Just because Hillary did not attack her does not mean she respects her it just means Hillary does not care about her or her word salad. When buttercup was tapped as vp, Hillary was going thru the loss of Stephine Tubbs Jones.
Keep attacking her buttercup and the scorpion will bite back.
The confluence you are all fakers and koolaid drinkers.
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jillforhill! You have a talent and ability that we need! Do not let me lose you! You have research and statistical skills that are vital! Be patient – it is very early, and I think Hillary will challenge – but it will have to be very late. When she does, we will need you! Hang with me, sister. Hang in here for Hillary. She has what we need.
(Hillary are you watching? Honest! I did not script this! It is spontaneous. Right now it’s just a brush fire, but the earth is dry. I do not want to fight this fire unless you are there with us. We know it’s early and awkward. Say nothing. Tuck this behind your ear. The girls are here,)
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Not in a good way, but in an educational way.
First, I am blown away and honored to be addressed in my life as “Counselor” – OMG! I never imagined, prepared for, or predicted THAT title – and it is heavy.
Second, right now, or maybe all of our lives, the most important thing is to keep learning, figuring things out, putting survival on the front burner, getting through tonight and making it to tomorrow.
I don’t have kids and never really wanted to. That does not make me less responsible in the Social Contract. The fact that Sarah has contributed more children than Hillary and I does not make her the mistress of the Social Contract much less the automatic next Decider. It’s not about who made the most kids. It’s about who upholds the agreement. Honor the contract. Tell the truth, or step aside.
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Phyllis Schafly! LOLOLOL! Or mebbe Dr. Laura – another feminist icon! YEOW!
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Pumapac was promoting Liz Cheney for an office,because she attaced obama. Anyone will do now.
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There are a lot of hobo ladies today! Unemployment does not discrimiate! It’s too bad that Hillary has been hidden by Obama. She deserves better! We need leadership on the issues she raised in the candidate debates. North Korea, Russia, Afghanistan are major complex problems now, and she is ignored? We welcome Hillary to join us hoboes with Sarah if she gets tired of being connected to a Hawiaan punch.
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I like Sarah and would vote for her in a heartbeat against Obama. Then again, I would vote for the entire cast of The Muppet Show before I would vote for Obama. OK, let’s put it another way– I’d rather see Sarah go up against Obama than any of the other leading Repubs and I would be able to vote for her without one hand holding my nose. But in a Sarah vs. Hillary matchup, Hillary wins hands down, no question.
Do I think Sarah made a mistake by resigning? I’m not sure. It depends on what she does next. But I don’t think she handled her resignation as well as she could have. She needs to focus on the issues. Everything else is a distraction. Yeah, I’m sorry the media and the bots are giving the Palins such a hard time, but my brother-in-law just lost his job and the economic situation around here is frightening. I want to hear Sarah talk about what she plans to do to fix America rather than about who got the worst treatment from the media.
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This Department is AMAZING! When Hillary is POTUS and we, as NYCGirl so delicately puts it, effing TAKE OVER, the lessons we have learned and shared here will become part of our American fabric.
Another fav movie: How to Make an American Quilt.
Dr. Maya Angelou! Her girl is our girl. It IS a quilt! And WE can put this baby together!
All of the dots are suddenly coming together!
I love you sisters!
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Hi, Still4Hill!
I just stopped by here for a NY minute to say: Thanks for the mention! 😀
Yes, the lessons we learn here and now will galvanize us for the epic struggle that is now in the making. I have said this before: Loyalty starts YESTERDAY. We are now seeing where the “loyalty” to Hillary begins and ends. I saw glimpses of it before — the picture is coming into sharper focus as we go into full battle in “the Palin Wars”. Palin’s not done yet.
But keep in mind that this is not about who the best “woman” is for the job — This is about political maneuvering. Watch and wait, PUMAs.
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Hi Guys
I already followed you for a while here…and frankly – I love it.
Good job Still4hill, I’d say Hillary would call that substance!
And I actually posted in Hillarys village (no I’m not banned) and explained that I think there are major disagreements between Hillary and Sarah (with examples) and that I don’t think she is even ready to run for president(not yet) and some other stuff ….-trust me you get a good discussion in hillarys village – I got a lot of “proof that” and “thats not true” back but it became less with each post (maybe they were just annoyed by me) check it out it’s in — Hillarys village—grand central—-breaking: Palin to make an “announcement” in Wasilla
So go there! at least you can push up the number of members (maybe that invites even more Hillary supporters) and as long as you don’t start to insult and keep proving your point they are actually quite nice.
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I usually do cross-post these at HV. I’ve been there from the beginning, but over the past few months “Hillary’s” Village is beginning to look more like “Sarah’s” Village. I am VERY LOYAL to Hillary for very specific reasons.
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Why should anyone have to spend time and energy beating back the PALIN supporters at HILLARY’s Village? Does that make sense? Think about what’s wrong with that picture.
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I have to admit I get that feeling too, there are so many threads about Sarah Palin, and I too don’t understand why Hillary supporters necessarily have to be Palin supporters.
I just hate that Hillarys village is turning into Sarahs village ( I mean you say Hillary and most people you ask immediatly think of Hillary Clinton her accomplishments and so on, when you say Sarah everyone comes up with a diffrent one and when you try Palin then nobody can name accomplishments or just so few accomplishments that it is no comparison to Hillarys)
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A lot of sites like that tend to branch off into other topics but I can see how it can be frustrating for folks who really just want to talk about stuff hillary related. I guess that’s why the other Hillary site is now ‘Common Ground Politics’ so that more topics can be discussed.
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Please post this article/link at HV if you can,so you can show them what Chelsea really went thru from the MSM and republicans. Buttercup’s children have never had to go thru this and never will. Yet when this was published the Clinton’s did not whine or complain, they ignored it like adults instead of bring attention to it. After they read this let them try to say Buttercup and her family has had it worse and if they do they are lying.
This article makes me sick just reading it.
Link:http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml
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Still4Hill,
Do you know what happened to Alice Paul or Writerchick? Neither one has posted at HV in ages. They used to be there every day and they were among the most loyal and prolific posters at the Village, finding good articles about our girl and sharing them with us. Then they both disappeared. Their absence is one reason why HV might be starting to seem more like Sarah’s Village.
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I read something today that says what I initially thought as soon as I heard she was resigning- she wants 2 make more money on the speaking circuit, which she can’t do while holding public office. I don’t know if that plays a role in her decision, but I wouldn’t be surprised. If that’s what she wants to do, then go for it, who am I to judge? But the other side of the coin is that as a public figure, her choices with respect to being a public figure ARE fodder for the media and rightly so. In other words, it’s ridiculous for her to complain that the media is all over her about her decision to quit- why wouldn’t they be? She’s an elected governor and she’s quitting- finding out the real reason WHY is their job.
Does any of this mean that she hasn’t been the victim of sexist commentary? Of course not, but the problem is that she, and many of her defenders, seem to think that because *some* jerks in the blogosphere and the media have made sexist remarks, then therefore ALL criticism of her is somehow below the belt and inappropriate and they HIDE behind that when legitimate questions are raised about her knowledge base, her experience, her temperament, etc.
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It is just like when if you attacked obama’s policies and other things you were a racist. They are now palbots. I will defend Hillary and support her,but if I don’t agree with her I will let that be known. The funny thing is Hillary likes that she likes to prove her point with facts and actual knowlege.
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Jill, I can’t get that national review link to work or I’d post it over there.
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Still4Hill- that’s what I don’t get- why are so many Hillary supporters now die-hard Palin supporters? What views that Palin holds, are similar to Hillary’s views? That’s what I don’t get. Is it because Palin’s a woman? (which you alluded to in this post) or do they believe that because she was on the ticket running against Obama, that that makes her deserving of support.
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To me the Hillary supporters who flipped on a dime to die-hard buttercup supporters just hate obama so much that anyone will do. It is not about the issues or where buttercup stands on them as long as she attemps to attack him. There hatered overrides everything else. Like I wrote Hillary can not attack him right now, it is to early.
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JillforHill said:
“To me the Hillary supporters who flipped on a dime to die-hard buttercup supporters just hate obama so much that anyone will do. It is not about the issues or where buttercup stands on them as long as she attemps to attack him. There hatered overrides everything else. Like I wrote Hillary can not attack him right now, it is to early.”
Thank you!!!!! I have been asking about this for over a year and when I suggested this over at No Quarter I got booed out of the forum and was written off as an Obot simply for offering an opinion. But nobody was willing to come out and say this as bluntly as you have.
People have a right to dislike or even hate Obama but to use it as a reason to support candidates for the highest (or second highest) office regardless of a) ability b) knowledge c) belief in what they stand for or d) experience, seems really misguided. I never spent much time on the forums for that reason.
Imagine this: what if McCain had won and God forbid, had a heart attack 6 months into his term? Then we get Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin as President of the United States? I’m sorry, but that could have been a disaster. A politician who doesn’t even know enough to know they aren’t yet qualified for a job, are the most dangerous, in my mind, regardless of ideology.
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If they are willing to go against there values,beliefs, and standards to take down the man you hate to promote someone who is against everything you are, who is real the loser and winner in that situation.
There was a post at No Quarter about Stanford and they allowed a poster to write the Hillary knew about Monica and that there marriage was a sham. Say buttercup is unqualfied and you get banned or comment deleted.
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Not all of the Palin supporters were Hillary supporters to begin with. Many of them never liked HRC but decided to jump in with the Hillaryites in opposition to Obama once the PUMA movement started. There are many who say they are PUMAs who are NOT and never were.
There are also women who like Hillary, are very disappointed, and who now just want a woman in the White House no matter who it is and say that we should vote women in regardless of ideology just to address the imbalance of male pols vs. female pols.
Lastly, I know that people don’t like Sarah Palin, and have good reasons for that, but in the interest of accuracy, Palin never said she could see Russia from her house — that was Tina Fey on SNL.
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Ok, sorry, in the interest of accuracy, here is what she said:
PALIN: “They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”
Now, my point above was (if it wasn’t obvious), that given the context of this answer (and the question asked), there is a REASON she was mocked for this and there was a reason why Tina Fey’s characterization of it ( “I can see Russia from my house” ) became viral- because Sarah Palin’s knowledge of foreign policy was so bleepin’ pathetic, that this became symbolic of her just how little she new about international issues.
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Ummmm…Hillary’s town hall is right now and cspan says they are covering it, but they aren’t.
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That was disappointing. The pics are up. Check this: http://stillmygirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/town-hall-today.html
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Ok, I promise I am not spamming your site with multiple comments, but I just found this or I would have included it in one of my previous comments.
This is from Peggy Noonan and while I am not a fan, she makes some interesting points about Palin:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html
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http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml
I am not sure how link it.
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The link works : )
I am holding off on the HV Palin postings – they are dying down. Posting anything new just bumps it back up to the top.
Actually, it’s Hillary kicking Palin to the cellar now that there’s a new video and the new pics from today. I can always count on pcfs to put up the pics and the videos. She’s a sweetheart. It’s for people like her that I stay there.
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I must like torture because I went to the confluence and myiq2xu is bascially saying palin never attacked hillary and if you believe that your are reading to much into her response and when someone said she is they all attack that poor poster who told the truth. They also believe buttercup supporters will defend or vote for hillary. Now you know they are on buttercup koolaid when they believe that.
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Were these people all Republicans to begin with and waiting to pounce? Stuff is getting very very bizarre out there.
I feel bad about Hillary people getting attacked for defending Hillary. But we were taught by the best. We all have to do what Hillary did. Tell the truth, dig in our hels, and stay standing.
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I think a lot of wingers tried, very successfully, to triangulate moderates and progressives by claiming to be Hillary supporters in an attempt to stir sh*t up. But is that too tin-foil-hat? I mean, given how big the pro-Palin PUMA-sphere has become, it’s begs the question- what the hell is going on and I know it’s a question Still4Hill has diligently been trying to answer.
I agree with Jill- somebody’s been double-dipping in the kool-aid! 😉
I think the media did that to a certain extent too in my opinion- most news coverage of Hillary was biased and cable news in particular with MSNBC winning the asshat award but I’ll be honest, while some people think Fox News was wonderful to Hillary I couldn’t help but wonder if they were also engaging in the same sort or right-wing divide and conquer strategy?
Who can forget how Fox News treated both Clintons throughout the 90’s? They HATED everything Hillary stood for but suddenly they became Hillary fans when she ran for POTUS? Nah, I didn’t buy it. I mean, it’s good she got some seemingly positive coverage from them but if their overall agenda was to divide the Democrats to water them down to assure a republican victory, I hardly consider that ‘fair and balanced’ but I do have to admit a bias- I have always disliked Fox News because I am a progressive so I will admit I have a hard time being objective when it comes to them.
Get this- Palin is NOW saying that she is definitely not leaving politics- in fact, she says she is going to be MORE involved than ever- she’s gonna write a book, campaign for conservative democrats and GOPers and tool around giving speeches. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ So much for that stellar, self-righteous, martyrdom performance she gave at her going away speech- her justifications for leaving office are every-evolving, kind of like Bush’s case for the Iraq War- they change depending on the facts on the ground, political expedience and people’s reaction . Not exactly such a self-less victim of the political-media ‘blood sport’ anymore, is she?
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1909442,00.html
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They hate obama. Apparently hillary took them half way and buttercup will take them to the finish line where that is I do not know. They qoute fox,dick morris,hannity(who accuses bill of rape), and glen beck.
Repubs planned to take over hillary sites for buttercup during the general,it was on a thread at freerepuic(the same freerepublic who called an obama daughter ghetto tras for wearing a peace shirt). Attack obama not his daughters,it reminds me of what they did to chelsea. Rush promoted hillbuzz who think steele is so smart and hillary is letting herself be used.
Who is a conserve dem that agrees with buttercup? Bluedogs cannot be that desperate. First one that does needs to be defeated. Funny thing she is already helping dems/libs,because everytime she talks we get another dem/lib or independent to the dem party.
She has to stay in politics and media to say she is a victim and for people to feel sorry for her or she will end up losing her fans if she is not. To her and her fans it is a game of victim, but to me it is not if she is president. Me and my family’s life is not a game for buttercup.
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still4hill,
Just left you this message in the toxic meme thread, was afraid you would not see it.
I just wanted to make you aware that there are other posts here at The Widdershins.
Here are the dates and the names if you look in older posts you wil be able to find them:
June 24 I have a question by taggles
July 9 Morning Widdershins: ET TU, Ladies By Pat Johnson
July 11 Morning Widdershins: SAVE ME! By Pat Johnson
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Thank you, cnk! I will wander over there as soon as I have some time. It seems that it is time for this Department to gear up since I see Hillary being attacked on several sides. I want to thank everybody here for the wonderful support.
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Thank goodness somebody has the fortitude to say these things. This constant drum beating on behalf of Palin is over the top on some sites.
They refuse to even consider that she may be out there raising money for right wing candidates they claim to despise. But any mention of this, or her sorry performance as a VP candidate, not to mention her giving up a governship at a time of economic hardship that all states are trying to deal with, is taken as a personal attack against her.
I do not understand the level of adulation, unearned for the most part unless it is strictly gender related. She is not in favor of either reproductive rights or those of the gay community. Had she been male they would have chopped her into pieces.
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Funny how, as Pumas and Hillary other supporters (some do not identify themselves as PUMA) regroup a year+ later, we actually do REGROUP. I haven’t seen you Pat, for some time, but it’s good to see that we are still together fighting the good fight!
(See, Hillary? We still have your back!)
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Mmyeah, we had this exact conversation at the Confluence and we explained there, too. Just because you refused to listen, doesn’t mean we refused to reason.
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It was good to see you still4hill at TW. Good you see you Caroline and Pat also. Shall I link to White Rabbit again, still4hill. Seemed to make us both feel better.
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The secretary here looks like Grace Slick. When I told her that, she said, “Who?” She’s 24. LOL!
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Wow. Lots of good comments!
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What’s the Widdershins? Is it a blog?
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Yes, a blog. A good one!
http://thewiddershins.wordpress.com/
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